Your Weapon Choice vs. Scenario?
 

I've seen posts on all types of weapons folks are purchasing. I can't help but wonder what type of scenario they anticipate when making their choice(s).

Do you envision civil unrest, gang-warfare, military or para-military invasion/intervention, survival hunting, insurgency...??

Seems to me most people have some perception of what is, or may be, coming down and that is the reason that they have purchased the type(s) of weapons they have.

If one can't anticipate the enemy or threat, what has led you to purchase what you have?

Someone once posted that a lady once asked some guy who was carrying a pistol if he expected trouble. He responded "no ma'am, if I expected trouble, I would have brought my rifle"

Have you contemplated where you will be, relative to your weapon, when you need it?

Have you developed your strategy and tactics...your ?-enemy probably has or will.

Where do you think you will have to "make your stand"?...and for how long?

I'm really not begging the question here; I'm sincerely curious.

A 10/22 won't be much help if you anticipate blue helmets in armored vehicles or 10 illegal dudes breaking in your back door while part of the gang is diverting you at the front.

Patton surely would not have used infantry alone against those tanks...unless, maybe he was out of gas!(then I'm sure he would have)

All your weapon stash in one place? Then where? What if there's door-to-door confiscation of any and all weapons? Roadblock confiscation? What about someone using your own weapon on you?

There's a myriad of questions that I'm trying to resolve in my own mind.

Appreciate your "out-of-the-box" thoughts.

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Pistol - 1911

Rifle - Home built AR-10 with a light weight shotgun as back up..

The whole issue of any situation is WEIGHT, both ammo and guns...

BTW - These types of threads are completely subjective. I'm a firm believer of being able to shoot 2 - 3 rounds in semi-auto within 5 inches of each other from about 20 yards while YOU'RE moving is key, and I don't give a damn what anyone says, an AK ain't gonna make that happen unless you're stationary, but the ammo sure is cheap....

Let the diehards scream in protest.....:s10:

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You must have had some really poor AKs then? Five inches at 20yds? Hell some derringers can do that!

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While you're MOVING, especially perpendicular to the target, and NOT one one thousand STEP, etc... I'm talking in a jogging motion....

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Think you kinda missed my target, mkinla.

The whole issue of any situation is "The Situation"...That's my question/issue.

In some situations a BB Gun might be the answer rather than a 105/155 Howitzer.

See what I'm asking?

Thanks for your input on your rifle though. I'll check it out...not really that familiar with it.

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OH OK... Well whatever feels good in your hands and whatever is the cheapest ammo. You're asking people to answer a question to 1 million types of what if's. Hell we could make a reality TV show out of it.....

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Yeah, got that on the first read, just questioning why an AK would not be up to the task?

The task you defined (shooting on the move) is only limited by the operator not the platform of weapon, jus saying.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinkin'...too much to think about...give me about a week to consider all the contigencies and I'll get back with ya...:eek_ma:

By the way I think the FAL is the best natural pointer in that running scenario...but I don't run so well anymore.

Scoped AR for around my neighborhood...gotta consider overpenetration. Also, I could probably deliver more running hits on target with a .223 anyway.

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I'll put it on my calendar.
Better a week to think about it rather than 30 minutes, dontcha think?

If you guys want to talk Rambo stuff, why don't you start your own thread and get off of mine... since you seem to lack reading comprehension.

BTW...Any of you guys ever been in real combat situations...No, not Video Games!

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The defined task is done at any IDPA/IPSC match anywhere any weekend worldwide.

As to the OPs vague question, some google research on SHTF to help define his or her own parameters of personal survival....know any Mormons?

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don't be afraid to think small
i have one of these if only for the psychological deterent of gun shy sheeple
from 100 feet out, who would know that this is just an air rifle
and if anyone tried to get too close in a threatening manner, i would aim for the face/eyes
naturally, if i came upon anything bigger, i'm screwed
but for my initial bug-out from my home, this is a nice cheap accessory to have
at least until i get to something more potent that i may or may not have cached

Remington� AirMaster 77 Air Rifle - $139

Marksman 2025 Laserhawk BB Repeater Air Rifle - $59

Airguns do not require a firearms licence.

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Flinch says yes to first part of questions.

Flinch think no one gun fit all situation so Flinch have many guns !

Flinch have guns here and there, all safe and sound. You find safe place of your own.

Flinch take very expensive training course, Carbine & Pistol.

This Flinch know;

Flinch fire about 900 rifle rounds and 400 pistol rounds in one day training.

Other shooters have fancy AR's. Flinch have cheap WASR AK-47. Other shooters laugh at Flinch with his cheap rifle.

Flinch laugh when fancy AR's malf ! Flinches WASR no malf all day long !

IDPA better choice, go here for rifle training.

Sometimes one gun is best gun.

Wise man once say "Beware the man with one gun for he shoot it well !"

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You may have some problems Flinch....

http://socialize.morningstar.com/New...&convId=146224

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessag...4;t=003443;p=1

http://www.pauldavidson.net/2006/02/...-third-person/

....but putting together a great gun post is not one of them.

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Oh, wrong gun! You are now talking about a shotgun skill...
OO buck at 60 feet? Almost a perfect shotgun scenario...

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Hmm, Good question one I have given a lot of thought to. I think in the end it doesn't matter so much.

I would say a .22 would be nice to have for small game hunting.

Any rifle in any caliber .223 and above would be nice to have. Get whatever you feel most comfortable shooting. Remember if you are defending yourself or have to shoot at someone else in an EOTWAWKI scenario they will most likely have a rifle as well and it very well could have a fire selection that your rifle you have now doesn't. I would also suggest a sidearm 9mm or .45 really doesn't matter so much. Here again get something you would be comfortable shooting.

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I personally envision a scenario when the economy collapses, a.k.a. the great depression II, and this time people will not be courteous and patiently waiting in the bread lines, there will be riots in the streets and open gang warfare. Police will not be able to handle all of it and it will be up to me and mine to defend what is ours. My brother, my dad and I are working on a plan that basically involves all of our families consolodating ourselves into one house (we don't have any "bug out" land or spot to run away to) and to be able to defend that house when the gangs come looking to loot and pillage. I recently purchased a nice AK-47 which should give me an advantage if/when this time comes.

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:D ROFLMAO!

As for advice, get a rifle, any rifle so long as it works and you have ammo for it. With that, think "Red Dawn", use it to get what you need. :tongue_ma:

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concealed carry-very short warning time to usage-revolver-point n start pulling trigger

concealed carry-tactical situation-9mm/45 semi-auto-big clips-extra clips

home defense within inside of the home
short notice-revolver always within reach
longer notice-12ga 00buck-loaded and availible within 4-5seconds
multiple other weapons availible in different portiens of the house

Exterior Tactical situations-Ar-15-big clips-multi-clips

Truck and Farm gun
always have a revolver with me
carry a hunting shotgun with multiple type loads availibe

Hunting small game short range.....22cal semi-auto
Hunting small game long range....acurized Ar-15 or a Bolt Ruger 204
Medium game Short range...semi-auto 30-06
Medium Game long range....7mm ultra mag Bolt gun
Dangerous Game....double rifle..load of choice

Zombie Stopper....Calico M-950 9mm with 100rd clips or AK with big clips

Range.......everything else that seems fun to shoot that day

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Ya just never know. People at the Sportsman's Association see me on the range and they just scratch their heads when I put up profile targets and break out about 2 boxes of 9mm Winchester Ranger 147gr SXT Talon. In fact I just bought another 500 rounds this morning along with 100 rounds of 9mm American Eagle FMJ after replacing my slide locks on my Glocks with extended slide locks (tired of ripping my fingers and breaking finger nails every time I field strip).

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To answer the OP:

I am armed to protect myself and my family in times of civil unrest. I've already decided that I will not lift a weapon in opposition to any native government representative whether it is local LE or military. (An invading army would be another thing). This is my personal belief based upon my value system and threshold of escalation.

I have several different alert levels which determine how I am prepared in any given situation. Right now I have a 9mm CZ P-01 loaded in the bedroom. Biometric access and my wife and I are the only ones who can get it. I am carrying a NAA .22LR revolver in my pocket, and I have a Kel-Tec SUB-2000 (Glock 17) in my car (one 17 rd and one 33 rd - 50 rounds loaded). With the current situation in our country I am currently comfortable at this level of preparation.

I am starting to feel like I need a carbine in the home, however. I've been thinking about a Camp Carbine (9mm) in order to keep my ammo situation simple. However, I feel like if I'm going to sholder a weapon I want to make sure it can defeat armor. I don't feel like adding another caliber, so I am considering swapping out .30-06 for .308 and getting a DPMS AR-10 or DS Arms FAL (para). I prefer the latter, but the price makes me choke. (I don't care for HK 93s - they don't feel very well balanced in my hands.) I know a lot of people like 5.56 or 7.62x39, but I'd rather share a load between my hunting and battle rifle. I'd get a Browning BAR (left-handed) hands down if someone only made high-cap mags for it.

I picked up one of these True Temper Ditch Bank Blades (36") yesterday for $29 at Home Depot. I am going to find a local sharpener to make it sharp enough to shave with. Then I need to find a sheath and attach a lanyard. If worse comes to worse I'll bury my guns to avoid confiscation and carry this in my truck with my other "tools" (rakes, shovels, etc.)

http://images.orgill.com/200x200/3553302.jpg

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Keep it simple.

12ga pump shotgun, short barrel, BB size shot.

Most folks go nuts for 00 buck....but it is simply too big....too much wall penetration.

BB in a 1.125 oz standard payload is 56 pellets. No doctor can fix a wound like that ...This is the perfect shotgun load....killer out to about 50 yards. for strictly in the home shooting where wall penetration might hit your kids/neighbors...go with #6 or even #9....a shotgun pattern in the house is between a softball and a basketball....very deadly.

Over that range go to 00 buck or slugs.

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Wallew (or any other gunsmiths), how hard would it be to adapt the BAR short-trac to accept FAL or M1A magazines?

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:rant: Just saw Wallew is banned. Add another to my list of GIMmers who will be missed greatly.

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Why bother...just use the M1A...or re-barrel a M1 Garand for .308

M1 Garand is my favorite rifle for defense/offense.

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I have one of those Remingtons...awesome air rifle... to go with my 870, 770, XD 9mil Tactical , Ruger 10/22...

OH! And my slingshot. If I ever run out of ammo I can just pick up a rock.

Seriously... I bought a slingshot... :smokin:

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Isn't Garand .30-06 only? Besides BAR = 6.5 pounds, and Garand = @10 pounds. I'm thinking of a way to be able to have a hunting rifle that functions as a battle rifle. I think a hunting rifle looks much less conspicuous.

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The Talons are still around but harder to get since being banned.

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M1 Garand can be rebarreled to 308 no problem...lots of guns have had the mod.

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Added a little write ip on Talons.

http://peakoilpetroleumandpreciousme...4577/master/1/

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/atta...3&d=1215044468

I would love to get some original talons for my collection but for now a few thousand Ranger SXT rounds will have to do.

Snippit:

Black Talon SXT: The original Black Talon handgun bullet. It was introduced in 1991. The cartridge consists of a black colored bullet seated in a nickel-plated case. The black paint-like coating on the bullet is a Winchester proprietary lubricant called Lubalox. The bullet has six serrations on the rim of the hollowpoint cavity (meplat), and six talons. The talons deploy when the bullet expands. They are described by Winchester as: "six uniform, radial jacket petals with perpendicular tips." Winchester voluntarily discontinued sales of Black Talon SXT to the general public in late 1993/early 1994 due to intense negative media and political pressure. Some political activists derisively referred to it as "Black Felon" ammo. Black Talon is packaged in boxes of 20 cartridges.

Ranger SXT: Ranger SXT is a less expensive version of the original Black Talon cartridge intended for the law enforcement market. It consists of a black Lubalox coated bullet seated in a brass case. The bullet has six serrations on its meplat, and six talons. Ranger SXT is packaged in boxes of 50 cartridges marked "Law Enforcement Ammunition."

Supreme SXT: Redesigned "civilian" version of the original Black Talon bullet. The cartridge consists of a copper-jacketed bullet seated in a nickel-plated case. The bullet has eight serrations on its meplat, and no talons. Supreme SXT is packaged in boxes of 20 cartridges.

Continued: http://peakoilpetroleumandpreciousme...4577/master/1/

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black blade do you have a link so you can buy them at

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I like Golden Saber ammo!

http://www.remington.com/images/prod...un/hpjdiag.jpg
REMINGTON GOLDEN SABER HPJ

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Golden Sabre is good too. The Federal Hydrashok and Corbon HP ammo is good for self defense. There's quite a bit of LE marked ammo forsale.

I find a lot of +P+ stuff at www.Gunbroker.com and "Ammunitioncenter" (his handle) carries much of the second gen Talons for LE. There's a a lot of Golden Sabre there as well at fairly decent prices.

The Talons come and go quickly so some sites are sold out fast.

http://www.tds-us.com/viewitem.php/t...9mm_147grn_SXT

There's also a store called Gallenson's located in Salt Lake City, Utah. Phone number is 801-966-1802. They might do mail order. They had Ranger SXT a few days ago.

Anyway, quite a few examples of wetpack tested ammo:

Weapon of choice
 

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Is that a peep sight on that 870? Please describe the rear sight....sight picture.

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That thing will completely sever an 8" trunk of a soft wood tree with a single stroke if wielded correctly. I have personally seen it done (by a very big dude)- and used them on the job in my fieldwork days. My best was a 6". - and these were with the heavy 16" blades. I assume you have a smaller (12" or 14") one? You'd have to be in pretty dire straits to use that as a battle ax....

edit: about sharpening... We used to do it w/ a bastard file (DO wear HEAVY gloves- TRUST me!) the edge you can achieve is unbelieveable-- its actually a very soft grade steel. We- being a survey crew working out of pickups- would sit on the handle w/ the blade hanging off the tailgate and oriented away from the body and place the flat side of the file at a 25-30deg angle and push the length of the cutting area- flip and repeat- hook side and flat side.

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agreed.




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oh wow! look at that expansion!:bear_w00t:

know where I can find some of those in .45 and .40??

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There are several places but Gunbroker is a quick safe bet.

Another good site for tracking down ammo on sale.

http://gun-deals.com/ammo

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Thanks for the tips!

My dad tells a story about stopping for gasoline one late night. My mom went to the bathroom, then he heard her screaming. A couple big fella's were trying to push the door open on her (outside bathroom). He said he was looking all over for a piece of pipe or something.

When I travel the upper midwest I can't carry my Colorado CW -- in fact, I can't even have bullets anywhere near a fully cased gun. I have carried a 3" spring-assist SOG, but it isn't much better than nothing. I've looked at the tactical blades on a neck rope, and that seems better, but I'm seriously looking for a way to conveniently stow the ditch blade in the vehicle for quick access. I figure if I have to bug out across the midwest it could be dicey stoping for gasoline -- especially if other people don't have any and can't get any.